I have written about this topic at length in previous posts, but, in summation, I think that the "New Mass" is categorically invalid for the following reasons:
A. No Valid Minister (More on this shortly)
B. No recognizable Offertory.
C. The Holy Canon recast in form of a narrative.
D. Mutilation of the Consecration form contrary to the Council of Trent.
The "Novus Ordo Ordinations" are invalid for the following reasons:
A. No valid minister.
B. (Assuming the minister is valid) Elimination of the Minor orders
C. Elimination of the "Presentation of the Instruments" for Ordination of a Priest. (The "Apostolic Constitution" of Pope Pius XII "defining" the "necessary form and actions of ordination" Sacramentum Ordinis is categorically invalid for the follow reasons:
It contradicts St Thomas Aquinas and the Council of Florence. It employs faulty logic. It teaches utter novelties not found in either Scripture or Tradition.)
D. Even contra Sacramentum Ordinis, it mutulates the formulas of Pius XII, especially for the rite of Consecration of a Bishop
Even many Traditional Priests will not touch these topics with the proverbial ten foot pole, either because, in the case of the FSSP, they have "skin in the game" and do not want to cast doubt on their own ordinations, or, in the case of the SSPX, they do not want to appear to be "Sedevacantist" and claim the current pope and bishops are not even validly ordained, but just essentially a bunch of Anglicans simulating liturgies.
Let me stress the fact that, for those who have in innocence had recourse to such priests for Confession, THE CHURCH SUPPLIES (Ecclesia Supplet) the Sanctifying Grace necessary to effect the sacrament. The same applies to "Communions" received in the Novus Ordo.
But we do have a grave duty to investigate any suspicion of grave fault and resolve the issue to our satisfaction.
Sadly, the vast majority of "Traditional" priests are very remiss on this topic, tell outright lies, or cavalierly dismiss what should be very serious and substantial discussions.
The current Apostasy in the Church is much graver than many would care to imagine, THANK God Our Lady of Fatima gave is The Most Holy Rosary and Devotion to her Immaculate Heart as an antidote for when most of us will lose the Mass and Sacraments.
Be sure to make a Perfect Act of Contrition and Spiritual Communion each and every day!
I think St Sr Lucia can help you out much better than I. Go to https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g23ht_Interview.html and read the Historic Interview St Sr Lucia gave to Fr Augustine Fuentes. Pay especial attention to these words from St Sr Lucia:
"Prayer and sacrifice are the two means to save the world. As for the Holy Rosary, Father, in these last times in which we are living, the Blessed Virgin has given a new efficacy to the praying of the Holy Rosary. This in such a way that there is no problem that cannot be resolved by praying the Rosary, no matter how difficult it is - be it temporal or above all spiritual - in the spiritual life of each of us or the lives of our families, be they our families in the world or Religious Communities, or even in the lives of peoples and nations.
“I repeat, there is no problem, as difficult as it may be, that we cannot resolve at this time by praying the Holy Rosary. With the Holy Rosary we will save ourselves, sanctify ourselves, console Our Lord and obtain the salvation of many souls."
Our Lady told St Dominic that, one day, through the Rosary and the Scapular, she would save the world. This presupposes that we will lose the Mass and Sacraments, as foretold by the profit Daniel.
As for "The Church" in today's world- you will recognize it wherever you find devotion to the Immaculate Heart, the fervent recitation of the Most Holy Rosary, and Apostles of Mary and Our Lady of Fatima. The Church will remain ever visible in this time of Great Apostasy.
Meanwhile, anybody who thinks Our Lady of Fatima is "optional" or is just a "private revelation" is lost, and needs to be prayed for, especially if he is a priest.
Don't be blindsided by the chastisements that are coming.
White: What is your take on current sacraments and such? Some think valid; others not etc.
I have written about this topic at length in previous posts, but, in summation, I think that the "New Mass" is categorically invalid for the following reasons:
A. No Valid Minister (More on this shortly)
B. No recognizable Offertory.
C. The Holy Canon recast in form of a narrative.
D. Mutilation of the Consecration form contrary to the Council of Trent.
The "Novus Ordo Ordinations" are invalid for the following reasons:
A. No valid minister.
B. (Assuming the minister is valid) Elimination of the Minor orders
C. Elimination of the "Presentation of the Instruments" for Ordination of a Priest. (The "Apostolic Constitution" of Pope Pius XII "defining" the "necessary form and actions of ordination" Sacramentum Ordinis is categorically invalid for the follow reasons:
It contradicts St Thomas Aquinas and the Council of Florence. It employs faulty logic. It teaches utter novelties not found in either Scripture or Tradition.)
D. Even contra Sacramentum Ordinis, it mutulates the formulas of Pius XII, especially for the rite of Consecration of a Bishop
Even many Traditional Priests will not touch these topics with the proverbial ten foot pole, either because, in the case of the FSSP, they have "skin in the game" and do not want to cast doubt on their own ordinations, or, in the case of the SSPX, they do not want to appear to be "Sedevacantist" and claim the current pope and bishops are not even validly ordained, but just essentially a bunch of Anglicans simulating liturgies.
Let me stress the fact that, for those who have in innocence had recourse to such priests for Confession, THE CHURCH SUPPLIES (Ecclesia Supplet) the Sanctifying Grace necessary to effect the sacrament. The same applies to "Communions" received in the Novus Ordo.
But we do have a grave duty to investigate any suspicion of grave fault and resolve the issue to our satisfaction.
Sadly, the vast majority of "Traditional" priests are very remiss on this topic, tell outright lies, or cavalierly dismiss what should be very serious and substantial discussions.
The current Apostasy in the Church is much graver than many would care to imagine, THANK God Our Lady of Fatima gave is The Most Holy Rosary and Devotion to her Immaculate Heart as an antidote for when most of us will lose the Mass and Sacraments.
Be sure to make a Perfect Act of Contrition and Spiritual Communion each and every day!
In the Holy Hearts of Jesus and Mary.
Help me out, here, Wolf. If the current rites/sacraments are invalid; if and where is 'the church' in today's world?
I think St Sr Lucia can help you out much better than I. Go to https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g23ht_Interview.html and read the Historic Interview St Sr Lucia gave to Fr Augustine Fuentes. Pay especial attention to these words from St Sr Lucia:
"Prayer and sacrifice are the two means to save the world. As for the Holy Rosary, Father, in these last times in which we are living, the Blessed Virgin has given a new efficacy to the praying of the Holy Rosary. This in such a way that there is no problem that cannot be resolved by praying the Rosary, no matter how difficult it is - be it temporal or above all spiritual - in the spiritual life of each of us or the lives of our families, be they our families in the world or Religious Communities, or even in the lives of peoples and nations.
“I repeat, there is no problem, as difficult as it may be, that we cannot resolve at this time by praying the Holy Rosary. With the Holy Rosary we will save ourselves, sanctify ourselves, console Our Lord and obtain the salvation of many souls."
Our Lady told St Dominic that, one day, through the Rosary and the Scapular, she would save the world. This presupposes that we will lose the Mass and Sacraments, as foretold by the profit Daniel.
As for "The Church" in today's world- you will recognize it wherever you find devotion to the Immaculate Heart, the fervent recitation of the Most Holy Rosary, and Apostles of Mary and Our Lady of Fatima. The Church will remain ever visible in this time of Great Apostasy.
Meanwhile, anybody who thinks Our Lady of Fatima is "optional" or is just a "private revelation" is lost, and needs to be prayed for, especially if he is a priest.
Don't be blindsided by the chastisements that are coming.