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Wolf, you have said clearly enough that Mass said by each of the traditional priestly fraternities and diocesan indult masses are all mutually contradictory. I believe that you consider this to be so because of the differing assumptions regarding the validity of V2 "changes" and subtractions and alterations made to rites of ordination, both priestly and episcopal. Fr Gregory Hesse more or less stated that a combination of intent, form and matter, combined with a certain legitimate degree of benign latitudinarianism proper to Holy Mother Church preserved validity if not liceity in all renderings of the Mass both vetus and novus. In 2011 Pope BXVI returned the wording of the English NO to proper terms such as "for many" thereby correcting one of Fr Hesse' most acute doubts as to the validity of the NO in English as originally worded.

If this is not correct in your view then what, in your opinion, is the solution to this hot mess, at least as regards validity? I firmly believe that Our Lord, though doubtless VERY UNHAPPY, is pure unconstrained act (and how!), capable of bridging chasms of human making to permit ignorant goodwill to make forward progress notwithstanding. This is not to suggest He will be merciful to culpable clerics or the prideful refusal of Truth for the sake of human preference.

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